Meet the Dilute Red Miniature Pinscher

[Fawn & Rust MinPins = Dilute Chocolate]

This page contains information on Dilute Red Miniature Pinschers

Dilute Red MinPins exhibit the same solid color as the typically accepted Red MinPin. The Dilution gene causes the Red hair to dilute to a Cream-red. Some breeders refer to the dilute red color as tan because of the creamy shade of red that is produced by the dilution. Tan is used much like a "dilute black & rust" is referred to as a blue & rust. The dilution factor also changes the Red MinPin's black features (lips, nose, eye rims, foot pads) to appear dark gray like that of a Blue & Rust MinPin. The dilution will also be seen in the Stag MinPin, in that the Black intermingled hair (black sabling) of the typical Stag Red MinPin willl appear as gray intermingled hair instead of black. Dilute Red MinPins are not currently shown in any known country's conformation competition. CH Windamir's Sahara B

This same dilution factor is seen, accepted and shown in the Chihuahua, Pomeranian and German Pinscher (GP fanciers refer to this color as an Isabella GP).

CH Windamir's Sahara B
an AKC Champion Isabella (dilute red, blue nosed red) German Pinscher

Dilute Red Miniature Pinschers (Red w/ Blue nose)
CA - Blue Nosed Dilute Red aka Tan Female - @ 9 weeks of age - Photo courtesy of Prancealot MinPins	Blue nosed Dilute Red aka Tan (front) Black nosed Red (behind)	Blue nosed Dilute Red aka Tan (front) Black nosed Red (behind)

Dilute Self-Colored Red Miniature Pinschers (Red w/ Fawn nose)
ME - Litter of MinPins - @ days of age - Photo courtesy of Sunset MinPins	ME - Litter of MinPins - @ days of age - Photo courtesy of Sunset MinPins	ME - Litter of MinPins - @ hours old - Photo courtesy of Sunset MinPins
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If the chocolate factor is also present when combined with the dilution factor the combination of genetics changes the Red MinPin's black features (lips, nose, eye rims, foot pads) to appear self colored like that of a Fawn & Rust MinPin. The dilution chocolate combination will also be seen in the Stag MinPin, in that the Black intermingled hair (black sabling) of the typical Stag Red MinPin will appear as fawn intermingled hair instead of black. This same dilution factor is seen, accepted and shown most noteably in the Chihuahua.

Blue-Stag Red Miniature Pinschers (Blue Sabled Red with Blue nose)
TN - Female - @ 2 years of age - Photo courtesy of Prancealot MinPins	Need pics	Need Pics

Fawn Stag Red Miniature Pinschers (Fawn sabled Red with Fawn nose)
ME - Male - @ 2 years of age - Photo courtesy of Sunset MinPins	Need Pics	Need Pics

Genetics isn’t scary, unless math scares you. Genetics is pretty much elementary math & science. Dog breeders are quasi hobby scientists. Coat color inheritance is fairly easy to follow once you get the gist of it. There is a great book on coat color genetics “The Inheritance of Coat Colors in Dogs”, by Clarence Cook Little. The book is out of print, so be prepared to pay “rare book” prices. The book makes a wonderful addition to any dog breeder's library. There is also is a great website for learning about the Loci & what they do to affect the coat color http://www.tenset.co.uk/doggen/indexus.html. Additionally there is our own amateur website that pertains specifically to Miniature Pinscher coat color inheritance http://www.OperationBluePrints.com/ColorInheritance/

The gene that causes Red or Stag Red mutation is the
The “A” Locus (Agouti Yellow)
The A locus produces patterns of black and yellow.
A_y = Sable (MinPinners call this Stag Red) Tan -to- Mahongany Red with varying degrees of an intermingling black hairs
a_t = Black & Tan (MinPinners call this Black & Rust) a black dog with typical “Doberman” patterning.

and the

The “E” Locus (Extension)
The E locus produces clear tan/fawn/red.
E = normal pigmentation – not red
e = recessive red - clear red.

There are three "genetic" types of Red MinPins in the show ring today and they all look basically the same, Tannish-Red solid colored dogs with a black nose.
A_y A_y = dominant Red (Stag Red), does not produce Black & Rust.
A_y a_t = Red (Stag Red), carrying the recessive for Black & Rust (can produce Black & Rust offspring).
ee = Recessive Red, can produce Black & Rust if bred with a Black & Rust.

F.Y.I
a_t a_t = causes the solid red dog to project a Black & Rust patterned coat.

The B and b of the Liver/Chocolate locus and the D and d of the Blue dilution locus affect the black pigment of the Reds in the same manner as they affect the Black & Rust.

The “B” Locus (Liver/Chocolate locus)
See the Fawn & Rust page for a brief explanation of Chocolate & Rust Inheritance Fawn & Rust MinPins

BB =

a normal Black nosed Red dog that does NOT produce Chocolate offspring
Bb = BlackNosedRed

a normal Black nosed Red dog that CAN/DOES produce Chocolate offspring
bb = ChocolateNosedRed

a Chocolate nosed Red (also called "blonde chocolates", "red chocolates" "self colored reds") that displays and can/does produce Chocolate offspring. They are Reds that have Chocolate features (Chocolate nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of CHOCOLATE STAG intermingled hair.

The “D” Locus (Blue Dilution locus)
See the Blue & Rust page for an explanation of Blue & Rust Inheritance Blue & Rust MinPins

DD = BlackNosedRed a normal Black nosed Red dog that does NOT produce Blue offspring
Dd = a normal Black nosed Red dog that CAN/DOES produce Blue offspring
dd = BlueNosedRed a Blue nosed Red that displays Blue pigment and can/does produce Blue offspring. They are Reds that have Gray features (Gray nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of BLUE STAG intermingled hair. The dilution gene dilutes the Red to a Cream-Red.

I will keep this lesson as simple as possible. I will compare the Reds to the Black & Rust only once to show that the genetics affect the colors in the same way.

a_t a_t BB DD Black MinPin a normal Black & Rust dog that does NOT produce Chocolate or Blue offspring.

When the same genes are applied to the Red dog:

(A_yA_y BB DD) BlackNosedRed or (A_ya_t BB DD) or (ee BB DD) a normal Black nosed Red (Stag Red) dog may or may not display and intermingling of Black Stag. This dog does NOT produce Chocolate or Blue offspring.
(A_yA_y Bb DD) or (A_ya_t Bb DD) or (ee Bb DD) a normal Black nosed Red (Stag Red) dog may or may not display and intermingling of Black Stag. This dog does produce Chocolate, but does NOT produce Blue offspring.
(A_yA_y BB Dd) BlackNosedRed or (A_ya_t BB Dd) or (ee BB Dd) a normal Black nosed Red (Stag Red) dog may or may not display and intermingling of Black Stag. This dog does NOT produce Chocolate, but DOES produce Blue offspring.
(A_yA_y Bb Dd) or (A_ya_t Bb Dd) or (ee Bb Dd) a normal Black nosed Red (Stag Red) dog may or may not display and intermingling of Black Stag. This dog DOES PRODUCE BOTH Chocolate and Blue offspring.

a_t a_t bb DD Chocolate MinPin

a Chocolate & Rust dog whose Black coat is now Chocolate or Liver Brown and has Chocolate features (Chocolate nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads). This dog's genetics (DD) does NOT produce Blue offspring.

When the same genes are applied to the Red dog:

(A_yA_y bb DD) ChocolateNosedRed

or (A_y a_t bb DD) or (ee bb DD) a Red nosed Red (Stag Red) dog that has a Red coat, but has Chocolate features (Chocolate nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of CHOCOLATE Stag. This dog's genetics (DD) does NOT produce Blue offspring.
(A_yA_y bb Dd) ChocolateNosedRed

or (A_ya_t bb Dd) or (ee bb Dd) a Red nosed Red (Stag Red) dog that has a Red coat, but has Chocolate features (Chocolate nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of CHOCOLATE Stag. This dog's genetics (Dd) DOES allow it to produce Blue offspring.

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a_t a_t BB dd Blue MinPin

a Blue & Rust dog whose Black coat is now Dilute Blue Gray and has Blue features (Gray nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads). This dog's genetics (BB) does NOT produce Chocolate offspring.

When the same genes are applied to the Red dog:

(A_yA_y BB dd) BlueNosedRed

or (A_ya_t BB dd) or (ee BB dd) a Blue nosed Red (Stag Red) dog that has a Red coat, but has Blue features (Blue nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of BLUE Stag. The Blue nosed Reds are a more dilute Creamy Red, than the typical Vivid Red of a Black featured dog. This dog's genetics (BB) does NOT produce Chocolate offspring.
(A_yA_y Bb dd) BlueNosedRed

or (A_ya_t Bb dd) or (ee Bb dd) a Blue nosed Red (Stag Red) dog that has a Red coat, but has Blue features (Blue nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of BLUE Stag. This dog's genetics (Bb) DOES allow it to produce Chocolate offspring.

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a_t a_t bb dd Fawn MinPin

a Fawn & Rust dog whose Black coat is now Dilute Chocolate or Fawn and has Fawn features (Fawn nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads).

When the same genes are applied to the Red dog:

(A_yA_y bb dd) FawnNosedRed

or (A_ya_t bb dd) or (ee bb dd) a Fawn nosed Red (Stag Red) dog that has a Red coat, but has Fawn features (Fawn nose, eye rims, lips, foot pads) and may or may not display and intermingling of FAWN Stag.

Predicting Red Coat Color Inheritance

Parent B Black Nosed Red BB = double dominant, cannot carry chocolate factor DD = double dominant, cannot carry blue dilution 1st B = B 2nd B = B 1st D = D 2nd D = D
Parent A Black Nosed Red BB = double dominant, cannot carry chocolate factor DD = double dominant, cannot carry blue dilution 1st B = B 2nd B = B 1st D = D 2nd D = D	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution
	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution
	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution
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Parent B Black Nosed Red Bb = carries the recessive gene for chocolate dilution Dd = carries the recessive gene for blue dilution 1st B = B 2nd b = b 1st D = D 2nd d = d
Parent A Black Nosed Red Bb = carries the recessive gene for chocolate dilution Dd = carries the recessive gene for blue dilution 1st B = B 2nd b = b 1st D = D 2nd d = d	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB DD = Black no chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb DD = Black carries chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its B d Offspring = BB Dd = Black no chocolate, carries dilution	Parent A gives its B D Parent B gives its b d Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution
	Parent A gives its b D Parent B gives its B D Offspring = Bb DD = Black carries chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its b D Parent B gives its b D Offspring = bb DD = Chocolate, no dilution	Parent A gives its b D Parent B gives its B d Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carriers chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its b D Parent B gives its b d Offspring = bb Dd = Chocolate, carries dilution
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	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its B D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = bb Dd = Chocolate carries dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its B d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = bb dd = Fawn

Parent B Black Nosed Red Bb = carries the recessive gene for chocolate dilution Dd = carries the recessive gene for blue dilution 1st B = B 2nd b = b 1st D = D 2nd d = d
Parent A Blue Nosed Red Bb = carries the recessive gene for chocolate dilution dd = double recessive, dog is dilute 1st B = B 2nd b = b 1st d = d 2nd d = d	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB Dd = Black no chocolate, carries dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its B d Offspring = BB dd = Blue no chocolate	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate
	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its B D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = bb Dd = Chocolate carries dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its B d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = bb dd = Fawn
	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its B D Offspring = BB Dd = Black no chocolate, carries dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its B d Offspring = BB dd = Blue no chocolate	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate
	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its B D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = bb Dd = Chocolate carries dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its B d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = bb dd = Fawn

Parent B Chocolate Nosed Red bb = double recessive, dog is chocolate Dd = carries the recessive gene for blue dilution 1st b = b 2nd b = b 1st D = D 2nd D = d
Parent A Blue Nosed Red Bb = carries the recessive gene for chocolate dd = double recessive, dog is blue 1st B = B 2nd b = b 1st d = d 2nd d = d	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = Bb dd = Blue carries chocolate
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	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = bb Dd = Chocolate carries dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = bb Dd = Chocolate carries dilution	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = bb dd = Fawn	Parent A gives its b d Parent B gives its b d Offspring = bb dd = Fawn

Parent B Chocolate Nosed Red bb = double recessive, dog is chocolate DD = double dominant, cannot carry blue dilution 1st b = b 2nd b = b 1st D = D 2nd D = D
Parent A Blue Nosed Red BB = double dominant, cannot carry chocolate factor dd = double recessive, dog is blue 1st B = B 2nd B = B 1st d = d 2nd d = d	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution	Parent A gives its B d Parent B gives its b D Offspring = Bb Dd = Black carries chocolate & dilution
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